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THERE THERE WAS NO COLLUSION

THERE WAS NO COLLUSION >> AS ALL THAT WAS HAPPENING, >> AS ALL THAT WAS HAPPENING, THERE HAS BEEN A NEW ANGLE, AS THERE HAS BEEN A NEW ANGLE, AS YOU MAY KNOW, TO THE STORY AT YOU MAY KNOW, TO THE STORY AT THE CENTER OF THIS IMPEACHMENT THE CENTER OF THIS IMPEACHMENT YET AGAIN, IT INVOLVES ONE LEV YET AGAIN, IT INVOLVES ONE LEV PARNAS, THE INDICTED ASSOCIATION PARNAS, THE INDICTED ASSOCIATION OF RUDY GIULIANI OF RUDY GIULIANI

YOU MAY RECALL PARNAS TOLD YOU MAY RECALL PARNAS TOLD RACHEL MADDOW THAT HE WORKED IN RACHEL MADDOW THAT HE WORKED IN CLOSE COOPERATION WITH GIULIANI CLOSE COOPERATION WITH GIULIANI TO PRESSURE UKRAINE TO ANNOUNCE TO PRESSURE UKRAINE TO ANNOUNCE INVESTIGATIONS INTO ALL THINGS INVESTIGATIONS INTO ALL THINGS BIDEN AND TO OUST FORMER US BIDEN AND TO OUST FORMER US AMBASSADOR TO UKRAINE MARIE AMBASSADOR TO UKRAINE MARIE YOVANOVICH

YOVANOVICH PARNAS SAID TRUMP KNEW EXACTLY PARNAS SAID TRUMP KNEW EXACTLY WHAT WAS GOING ON WHAT WAS GOING ON HE SAID TRUMP WAS LYING WHEN HE HE SAID TRUMP WAS LYING WHEN HE SAID HE DIDN’T KNOW LEV AND THAT SAID HE DIDN’T KNOW LEV AND THAT TRUMP TRIED TO FIRE YOVANOVICH TRUMP TRIED TO FIRE YOVANOVICH MULTIPLE TIMES IN FACT MULTIPLE TIMES IN FACT

ABC NEWS WAS FIRST TO OBTAIN A ABC NEWS WAS FIRST TO OBTAIN A RECORDING THAT PARNAS SAID WAS RECORDING THAT PARNAS SAID WAS MADE WITH THE PRESIDENT AT THE MADE WITH THE PRESIDENT AT THE DINNER TABLE WITH A SMALL GROUP, DINNER TABLE WITH A SMALL GROUP, AND ON IT HE CAN BE HEARD SAYING AND ON IT HE CAN BE HEARD SAYING HE WANTED YOVANOVICH FIRED HE WANTED YOVANOVICH FIRED ABC NEWS RELEASED THE RECORDING ABC NEWS RELEASED THE RECORDING TONIGHT TONIGHT HERE IS THE PERTINENT PORTION

HERE IS THE PERTINENT PORTION >> THE BIGGEST PROBLEM, THOUGH, >> THE BIGGEST PROBLEM, THOUGH, I THINK WHERE WE NEED TO START I THINK WHERE WE NEED TO START IS WE’VE GOT TO GET RID OF THE IS WE’VE GOT TO GET RID OF THE AMBASSADOR AMBASSADOR SHE’S STILL LEFT OVER FROM THE SHE’S STILL LEFT OVER FROM THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION CLINTON ADMINISTRATION

>> WHAT, THE AMBASSADOR OF THE >> WHAT, THE AMBASSADOR OF THE UKRAINE? UKRAINE? >> — BASICALLY WALKING AROUND >> — BASICALLY WALKING AROUND SAYING WAIT, HE’S GONNA GET SAYING WAIT, HE’S GONNA GET IMPEACHED IMPEACHED >> GET RID OF HER >> GET RID OF HER GET HER OUT TOMORROW

GET HER OUT TOMORROW I DON’T CARE I DON’T CARE GET HER OUT TOMORROW GET HER OUT TOMORROW

TAKE HER OUT, OKAY? TAKE HER OUT, OKAY? DO IT DO IT >> TONIGHT RACHEL MADDOW SPOKE >> TONIGHT RACHEL MADDOW SPOKE TO LEV PARNAS’ ATTORNEY, WHO TO LEV PARNAS’ ATTORNEY, WHO THIS AFTERNOON GAVE THE THIS AFTERNOON GAVE THE RECORDING TO THE HOUSE RECORDING TO THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE >> A ONE HOUR AND 24-MINUTE >> A ONE HOUR AND 24-MINUTE RECORDING OF THAT EVENT

RECORDING OF THAT EVENT IT IS A DINNER IN THE TRUMP IT IS A DINNER IN THE TRUMP HOTEL, THE PRIVATE TOWNHOUSE HOTEL, THE PRIVATE TOWNHOUSE PRESIDENT TRUMP IS THERE, PRESIDENT TRUMP IS THERE, MR PARNAS IS THERE

MR PARNAS IS THERE OBVIOUSLY MR FRUMAN IS THERE OBVIOUSLY MR

FRUMAN IS THERE AND ABOUT 40 MINUTES INTO THE AND ABOUT 40 MINUTES INTO THE RECORDING, THE SUBJECT OF THE RECORDING, THE SUBJECT OF THE AMBASSADOR COMES UP AMBASSADOR COMES UP >> WHY DOES THE SUBJECT OF THE >> WHY DOES THE SUBJECT OF THE AMBASSADOR COME UP IN THIS AMBASSADOR COME UP IN THIS CONTEXT? CONTEXT? >> INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, >> INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, PRESIDENT TRUMP RAISES THE PRESIDENT TRUMP RAISES THE QUESTION QUESTION

HE SAYS, WHAT’S WITH UKRAINE? HE SAYS, WHAT’S WITH UKRAINE? >> YOU HAVE CONVEYED THIS TAPE >> YOU HAVE CONVEYED THIS TAPE TO THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE TO THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE AS OF THIS EVENING? COMMITTEE AS OF THIS EVENING? >> YES, AS OF THIS AFTERNOON >> YES, AS OF THIS AFTERNOON >> DO YOU EXPECT THAT THEY WILL >> DO YOU EXPECT THAT THEY WILL MAKE IT PUBLIC? MAKE IT PUBLIC? >> I HOPE THEY’LL MAKE IT >> I HOPE THEY’LL MAKE IT PUBLIC PUBLIC >> SO MANY QUESTIONS

>> SO MANY QUESTIONS I HOPE OUR GUESTS ARE READY I HOPE OUR GUESTS ARE READY HERE FOR OUR LEADOFF DISCUSSION HERE FOR OUR LEADOFF DISCUSSION ON THIS CONSEQUENTIAL FRIDAY ON THIS CONSEQUENTIAL FRIDAY NIGHT, JESSICA ROTH, A FORMER NIGHT, JESSICA ROTH, A FORMER ASSISTANT US

ATTORNEY FOR THE ASSISTANT US ATTORNEY FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK, NOW A PROFESSOR AT THE CARDOZO NOW A PROFESSOR AT THE CARDOZO SCHOOL OF LAW AT YESHIVA SCHOOL OF LAW AT YESHIVA UNIVERSITY HERE IN NEW YORK UNIVERSITY HERE IN NEW YORK MARA GAY, FORMER NEW YORK CITY MARA GAY, FORMER NEW YORK CITY HALL BUREAU CHIEF AT "THE WALL HALL BUREAU CHIEF AT "THE WALL STREET JOURNAL," NOW A MEMBER OF STREET JOURNAL," NOW A MEMBER OF "THE NEW YORK TIMES" EDITORIAL "THE NEW YORK TIMES" EDITORIAL BOARD

BOARD BILL KRISTOL, EDITOR AT LARGE BILL KRISTOL, EDITOR AT LARGE OVER AT THE BULWARK, ALSO A OVER AT THE BULWARK, ALSO A VETERAN OF THE REAGAN AND BUSH VETERAN OF THE REAGAN AND BUSH ADMINISTRATIONS ADMINISTRATIONS AND WE WELCOME TO OUR BROADCAST AND WE WELCOME TO OUR BROADCAST SOMEONE WE ALL KNOW WELL AROUND SOMEONE WE ALL KNOW WELL AROUND HERE, AND THAT’S ELISE JORDAN, HERE, AND THAT’S ELISE JORDAN, CONTRIBUTOR TO "TIME" MAGAZINE, CONTRIBUTOR TO "TIME" MAGAZINE, FORMER AIDE TO THE GEORGE W FORMER AIDE TO THE GEORGE W

BUSH WHITE HOUSE AND STATE BUSH WHITE HOUSE AND STATE DEPARTMENT DEPARTMENT GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ALL GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO ALL OF YOU OF YOU ELISE, JUST REWATCHING THAT, I ELISE, JUST REWATCHING THAT, I REALIZED I HAD TO BEGIN WITH YOU REALIZED I HAD TO BEGIN WITH YOU GIVEN YOUR CREDENTIALS

GIVEN YOUR CREDENTIALS HOW IS SOMEONE CAN ROLL A VOICE HOW IS SOMEONE CAN ROLL A VOICE NOTES RECORDING WITH THE NOTES RECORDING WITH THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AT A DINNER IN HIS BRANDED AT A DINNER IN HIS BRANDED HOTEL? HOTEL? QUESTION TWO, HOW IS IT THAT THE QUESTION TWO, HOW IS IT THAT THE PRESIDENT IS LEARNING NEW PRESIDENT IS LEARNING NEW INFORMATION ABOUT HIS AMBASSADOR INFORMATION ABOUT HIS AMBASSADOR FROM A GUY WHO KNOWS RUDY? FROM A GUY WHO KNOWS RUDY? >> I’M ABSOLUTELY BAFFLED THAT >> I’M ABSOLUTELY BAFFLED THAT SOMEONE WAS ABLE TO RECORD A SOMEONE WAS ABLE TO RECORD A PRESIDENT DURING A DINNER SIMPLY PRESIDENT DURING A DINNER SIMPLY BECAUSE RULE NUMBER ONE OF BEING BECAUSE RULE NUMBER ONE OF BEING A STAFFER IS THAT YOU’RE A STAFFER IS THAT YOU’RE PROTECTING YOUR PRINCIPAL PROTECTING YOUR PRINCIPAL YOU DON’T LET SOMEONE HAVE THE YOU DON’T LET SOMEONE HAVE THE PHONE IF YOU CARE ABOUT THE PHONE IF YOU CARE ABOUT THE PERSON THAT YOU WORK FOR — YOU PERSON THAT YOU WORK FOR — YOU DON’T LET SOMEONE HAVE A DON’T LET SOMEONE HAVE A TELEPHONE TELEPHONE

THAT ISN’T THE JOB OF THE SECRET THAT ISN’T THE JOB OF THE SECRET SERVICE SERVICE THAT’S THE JOB OF THE STAFFER THAT’S THE JOB OF THE STAFFER SO I’M JUST SHOCKED BY THE SO I’M JUST SHOCKED BY THE SLOPPY STAFF WORK

SLOPPY STAFF WORK BUT, TWO, WHY WAS DONALD TRUMP BUT, TWO, WHY WAS DONALD TRUMP HAVING DINNER WITH THESE HAVING DINNER WITH THESE CHARACTERS? CHARACTERS? PRESIDENT BUSH, PRESIDENT OBAMA, PRESIDENT BUSH, PRESIDENT OBAMA, HW BUSH, YOU AREN’T JUST HW

BUSH, YOU AREN’T JUST RANDOMLY HAVING DINNER WITH MEN RANDOMLY HAVING DINNER WITH MEN OF SUCH REPUTE, AND IT JUST IS OF SUCH REPUTE, AND IT JUST IS ABSOLUTELY JAW-DROPPING TO ME ABSOLUTELY JAW-DROPPING TO ME >> COUNSELOR, AS A LEGAL MATTER, >> COUNSELOR, AS A LEGAL MATTER, NOW THAT WE’VE ALL HEARD THIS NOW THAT WE’VE ALL HEARD THIS RECORDING, HOW DOES IT IMPACT, RECORDING, HOW DOES IT IMPACT, DO YOU THINK, IF AT ALL, THE DO YOU THINK, IF AT ALL, THE PUSH FOR WITNESSES BEFORE THE PUSH FOR WITNESSES BEFORE THE SENATE? SENATE? >> WELL, IT UNDERSCORES THE FACT >> WELL, IT UNDERSCORES THE FACT THAT THERE’S STILL SO MUCH THAT THAT THERE’S STILL SO MUCH THAT HASN’T YET BEEN PUT BEFORE THE HASN’T YET BEEN PUT BEFORE THE SENATE, BEFORE THE CONGRESS IN SENATE, BEFORE THE CONGRESS IN ITS ENTIRETY, AND BEFORE THE ITS ENTIRETY, AND BEFORE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AMERICAN PEOPLE SO IF THIS RECORDING IS SO IF THIS RECORDING IS AVAILABLE, WHAT ELSE IS OUT AVAILABLE, WHAT ELSE IS OUT THERE? THERE? NOW, OBVIOUSLY NO TRIAL CAN GO NOW, OBVIOUSLY NO TRIAL CAN GO ON FOREVER

ON FOREVER BUT IT’S A VERY POWERFUL BUT IT’S A VERY POWERFUL REMINDER OF THE FACT THAT THERE REMINDER OF THE FACT THAT THERE CLEARLY IS ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE CLEARLY IS ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE OUT THERE OUT THERE THIS MAY BE THE TIP OF THE THIS MAY BE THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG ICEBERG

WE KNOW THERE’S EVIDENCE THAT WE KNOW THERE’S EVIDENCE THAT WAS COLLECTED BY THE STATE WAS COLLECTED BY THE STATE DEPARTMENT IN THE FORM OF DEPARTMENT IN THE FORM OF DOCUMENTS THAT THE SENATE HAS DOCUMENTS THAT THE SENATE HAS IDENTIFIED WITH PARTICULARITY IDENTIFIED WITH PARTICULARITY THAT IT WANTS THAT IT WANTS BUT IT’S JUST YET AGAIN A BUT IT’S JUST YET AGAIN A REMINDER THERE’S MORE OUT THERE REMINDER THERE’S MORE OUT THERE AND IF THERE’S THE OPPORTUNITY AND IF THERE’S THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING ADDITIONAL WITNESSES TO BRING ADDITIONAL WITNESSES AND DOCUMENTS BEFORE THE SENATE, AND DOCUMENTS BEFORE THE SENATE, WE’RE GOING TO SEE A MUCH FULLER WE’RE GOING TO SEE A MUCH FULLER PICTURE, AND PERHAPS WE WILL PICTURE, AND PERHAPS WE WILL HAVE EVIDENCE THAT DIRECTLY TIES HAVE EVIDENCE THAT DIRECTLY TIES THE PRESIDENT TO THE CONDUCT IN THE PRESIDENT TO THE CONDUCT IN QUESTION AS THIS RECORDING SO QUESTION AS THIS RECORDING SO CLEARLY DOES

CLEARLY DOES >> MARA GAY, I HAVE TO ASK A >> MARA GAY, I HAVE TO ASK A NAKEDLY POLITICAL QUESTION, AND NAKEDLY POLITICAL QUESTION, AND IT ASSUMES THAT WE ARE NOT GOING IT ASSUMES THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO SEE WITNESSES OR DOCUMENTS OR TO SEE WITNESSES OR DOCUMENTS OR REMOVAL REMOVAL DO THE DEMOCRATS THEN HAVE ANY DO THE DEMOCRATS THEN HAVE ANY KIND OF MORAL SUPERIORITY TO RUN KIND OF MORAL SUPERIORITY TO RUN ON? ON? DO THE DEMOCRATS THEN — ARE DO THE DEMOCRATS THEN — ARE THEY LEFT WAITING FOR PIECES OF THEY LEFT WAITING FOR PIECES OF EVIDENCE TO COME OUT THAT COULD EVIDENCE TO COME OUT THAT COULD HAVE COME OUT IN THE SENATE, HAVE COME OUT IN THE SENATE, IE

, WHATEVER JOHN BOLTON IS IE, WHATEVER JOHN BOLTON IS WRITING? WRITING? >> I THINK BOTH OF THOSE THINGS >> I THINK BOTH OF THOSE THINGS ARE TRUE AND POSSIBLE ARE TRUE AND POSSIBLE FIRST OF ALL, IT WAS THE RIGHT FIRST OF ALL, IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO

THING TO DO IMPEACHMENT WAS THE RIGHT THING IMPEACHMENT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, AND TRYING TO FORCE THE TO DO, AND TRYING TO FORCE THE HAND OF THE REPUBLICANS TO BRING HAND OF THE REPUBLICANS TO BRING WITNESSES IS STILL SOMETHING WITNESSES IS STILL SOMETHING THEY SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON THEY SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON DEMOCRATS MAY HAVE THE HIGHER DEMOCRATS MAY HAVE THE HIGHER MORAL GROUND, BUT THEY’RE GOING MORAL GROUND, BUT THEY’RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO TRANSLATE THAT INTO SOME WAY TO TRANSLATE THAT INTO SOME WAY TO WIN THIS ELECTION WIN THIS ELECTION

AND AS I WAS WATCHING THE PAST AND AS I WAS WATCHING THE PAST THREE DAYS OF THESE HEARINGS, I THREE DAYS OF THESE HEARINGS, I KEPT THINKING TO MYSELF, YOU KEPT THINKING TO MYSELF, YOU KNOW, THE ELECTION IS MORE KNOW, THE ELECTION IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVER BECAUSE IT’S IMPORTANT THAN EVER BECAUSE IT’S THE ONLY WAY THIS PRESIDENT IS THE ONLY WAY THIS PRESIDENT IS GOING TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE GOING TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE AND ULTIMATELY THEY’RE GOING TO AND ULTIMATELY THEY’RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO TRANSITION HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO TRANSITION THIS INTO EITHER A CAMPAIGN THIS INTO EITHER A CAMPAIGN TALKING POINT, OR THEY’RE GOING TALKING POINT, OR THEY’RE GOING TO HAVE TO USE EVIDENCE THAT TO HAVE TO USE EVIDENCE THAT SHOULD BE COMING OUT BEFORE THE SHOULD BE COMING OUT BEFORE THE SENATE BUT INSTEAD MAY FIND ITS SENATE BUT INSTEAD MAY FIND ITS WAY INTO OUR MAILBOXES AS WAY INTO OUR MAILBOXES AS JOURNALISTS JOURNALISTS >> BILL KRISTOL, I’VE BEEN >> BILL KRISTOL, I’VE BEEN FOLLOWING YOU THROUGHOUT ON FOLLOWING YOU THROUGHOUT ON SOCIAL MEDIA

SOCIAL MEDIA WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE CASE AS WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE CASE AS THE DEMOCRATS LAID IT OUT, THE THE DEMOCRATS LAID IT OUT, THE PERFORMANCE OF MR SCHIFF AS PERFORMANCE OF MR SCHIFF AS RECENTLY AS TONIGHT, THE RECENTLY AS TONIGHT, THE BRAND-NEW AUDIOTAPE WE’RE BRAND-NEW AUDIOTAPE WE’RE LISTENING TO TONIGHT, AND LISTENING TO TONIGHT, AND CHIEFLY, IF IT WERE A SECRET CHIEFLY, IF IT WERE A SECRET BALLOT, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? BALLOT, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? >> WELL, ON THE BRAND-NEW >> WELL, ON THE BRAND-NEW AUDIOTAPE, I THINK WE KNOW, AUDIOTAPE, I THINK WE KNOW, DON’T WE, THAT THERE WAS A DON’T WE, THAT THERE WAS A FUND-RAISER THAT NIGHT AT THE FUND-RAISER THAT NIGHT AT THE TRUMP HOTEL TRUMP HOTEL

>> YES >> YES >> AND I ASUMT THAT’S WHY PARNAS >> AND I ASUMT THAT’S WHY PARNAS AND FRUMAN WERE THERE AND FRUMAN WERE THERE THEY WERE BIG DONORS

THEY WERE BIG DONORS AT THE DINNER, I THINK TRUMP AND AT THE DINNER, I THINK TRUMP AND THOSE TWO WERE THERE AND ALSO THOSE TWO WERE THERE AND ALSO SOME WHITE HOUSE STAFF, I SOME WHITE HOUSE STAFF, I SUSPECT SUSPECT I THINK JOHN DeSTEFANO, THE HEAD I THINK JOHN DeSTEFANO, THE HEAD OF PRESIDENTIAL PERSONNEL, AND I OF PRESIDENTIAL PERSONNEL, AND I TAKE IT THAT’S WHO TRUMP IS TAKE IT THAT’S WHO TRUMP IS SPEAKING TO WHEN HE SAYS GET RID SPEAKING TO WHEN HE SAYS GET RID OF THIS — I MEAN THE FACT THAT OF THIS — I MEAN THE FACT THAT THEY KNEW OBVIOUSLY AT THE WHITE THEY KNEW OBVIOUSLY AT THE WHITE HOUSE AND POMPEO KNEW TOO THAT HOUSE AND POMPEO KNEW TOO THAT THIS WAS NOT BEING PURSUED FOR THIS WAS NOT BEING PURSUED FOR ANY LEGITIMATE REASON OF, GEE, ANY LEGITIMATE REASON OF, GEE, LET’S HAVE AN IMPROVEMENT IN OUR LET’S HAVE AN IMPROVEMENT IN OUR AMBASSADORIAL COMPETENCE IN AMBASSADORIAL COMPETENCE IN KYIV, THEY HELD OFF ON DOING IT KYIV, THEY HELD OFF ON DOING IT FOR QUITE A LONG TIME FOR QUITE A LONG TIME

POMPEO CLEARLY DISTANCED HIMSELF POMPEO CLEARLY DISTANCED HIMSELF FROM IT AND WHEN HE FINALLY WENT FROM IT AND WHEN HE FINALLY WENT AHEAD AND FIRED YOVANOVICH, HE AHEAD AND FIRED YOVANOVICH, HE REPLACED HER WITH TAYLOR, WHO REPLACED HER WITH TAYLOR, WHO WAS NOT A TRUMP LOYALIST BECAUSE WAS NOT A TRUMP LOYALIST BECAUSE HE KIND OF KNEW, IT SEEMS, THAT HE KIND OF KNEW, IT SEEMS, THAT WHAT GIULIANI WAS UP AT TRUMP’S WHAT GIULIANI WAS UP AT TRUMP’S BEHEST, WAS REALLY BAD NEWS BEHEST, WAS REALLY BAD NEWS POMPEO TO SOME DEGREE AND BOLTON POMPEO TO SOME DEGREE AND BOLTON REALLY TRIED TO DISTANCE REALLY TRIED TO DISTANCE THEMSELVES FROM THINGS AND THEMSELVES FROM THINGS AND THEY’RE BOTH VETERANS OF THEY’RE BOTH VETERANS OF GOVERNMENT, AND BOLTON REALLY A GOVERNMENT, AND BOLTON REALLY A VETERAN, THAT THEY WERE REALLY VETERAN, THAT THEY WERE REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE THIS UNCOMFORTABLE THIS UNCOMFORTABLE WITH UNCOMFORTABLE WITH BOLTON ASKED TWO DIFFERENT BOLTON ASKED TWO DIFFERENT SUBORDINATES TO GO SEE THE WHITE SUBORDINATES TO GO SEE THE WHITE HOUSE COUNCIL

HOUSE COUNCIL YOU KNOW, IT’S JUST YOU KNOW, IT’S JUST UNBELIEVABLE UNBELIEVABLE IT SHOWS HOW WORRIED THEY WERE IT SHOWS HOW WORRIED THEY WERE ABOUT THE WHOLE PLOT, WHICH HAD ABOUT THE WHOLE PLOT, WHICH HAD BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME, BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME, HOW CENTRAL THAT WAS TO TRUMP’S HOW CENTRAL THAT WAS TO TRUMP’S OWN UNDERSTANDING OF HIS OWN OWN UNDERSTANDING OF HIS OWN POLITICAL AGENDA AND SO FORTH POLITICAL AGENDA AND SO FORTH

I THINK THE TAPE JUST CONFIRMS I THINK THE TAPE JUST CONFIRMS THE IMPORTANCE OF THE UKRAINE THE IMPORTANCE OF THE UKRAINE PLOT IN TRUMP’S MIND AS A PLOT IN TRUMP’S MIND AS A POLITICAL PLOT, NOT OBVIOUSLY POLITICAL PLOT, NOT OBVIOUSLY HAVING ANYTHING TO DO WITH HAVING ANYTHING TO DO WITH FOREIGN POLICY IN THE FOREIGN POLICY IN THE TRADITIONAL SENSE TRADITIONAL SENSE IN TERMS OF THE CASE, I THINK — IN TERMS OF THE CASE, I THINK — I DIDN’T SEE EVERY MINUTE OF IT I DIDN’T SEE EVERY MINUTE OF IT BUT THEY DID A GOOD JOB LAYING BUT THEY DID A GOOD JOB LAYING OUT THE CASE OUT THE CASE ADAM SCHIFF WAS EXCELLENT

ADAM SCHIFF WAS EXCELLENT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THIS WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THIS ISN’T SOMETHING THEY HAD UNLIKE ISN’T SOMETHING THEY HAD UNLIKE WITH THE STARR REPORT WITH THE STARR REPORT THEY HAD MONTHS AND MONTHS TO THEY HAD MONTHS AND MONTHS TO DEVELOP DEVELOP

I MEAN THE UKRAINE STORY BROKE, I MEAN THE UKRAINE STORY BROKE, WHAT, SEPTEMBER 9th, I THINK, WHAT, SEPTEMBER 9th, I THINK, AND HERE WE ARE FOUR MONTHS AND HERE WE ARE FOUR MONTHS LATER AND THEY PUT TOGETHER A LATER AND THEY PUT TOGETHER A PRETTY IMPRESSIVE — THEY DID A PRETTY IMPRESSIVE — THEY DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB THERE PRETTY PRETTY GOOD JOB THERE PRETTY QUICKLY IN FINDING OUT WHAT QUICKLY IN FINDING OUT WHAT HAPPENED, HAVING GOOD WITNESSES HAPPENED, HAVING GOOD WITNESSES IN THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, IN THE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, ACCUMULATING THAT EVIDENCE, ACCUMULATING THAT EVIDENCE, PUTTING IT NOW IN A FORM THAT PUTTING IT NOW IN A FORM THAT COULD BE EXPLAINED AND TIED COULD BE EXPLAINED AND TIED TOGETHER IN A COHERENT WAY TOGETHER IN A COHERENT WAY SCHIFF DESERVES A LOT OF CREDIT SCHIFF DESERVES A LOT OF CREDIT YOU KNOW WHO REALLY DOES DESERVE YOU KNOW WHO REALLY DOES DESERVE CREDIT, I’VE GOT TO SAY, THOUGH, CREDIT, I’VE GOT TO SAY, THOUGH, IS NANCY PELOSI

IS NANCY PELOSI THINK WHERE THEY WERE ON THINK WHERE THEY WERE ON SEPTEMBER 9th SEPTEMBER 9th THE MUELLER REPORT SEEMED TO THE MUELLER REPORT SEEMED TO HAVE FALLEN FLAT HAVE FALLEN FLAT

THERE WAS NOT GOING TO BE AN THERE WAS NOT GOING TO BE AN IMPEACHMENT IMPEACHMENT THEN THIS STORY BROKE THEN THIS STORY BROKE SHE MANAGED THIS IN A VERY SHE MANAGED THIS IN A VERY IMPRESSIVE WAY

IMPRESSIVE WAY ADAM SCHIFF DID MUCH MORE OF THE ADAM SCHIFF DID MUCH MORE OF THE WORK, I’M SURE, IN TERMS OF THE WORK, I’M SURE, IN TERMS OF THE DETAILS OF THE PRESENTATION DETAILS OF THE PRESENTATION BUT IN TERMS OF PUTTING TOGETHER BUT IN TERMS OF PUTTING TOGETHER A COHERENT AND COMPELLING CASE, A COHERENT AND COMPELLING CASE, DOING THE RIGHT THING, I THINK, DOING THE RIGHT THING, I THINK, AND RESCHMEMBER AT THE TIME AND RESCHMEMBER AT THE TIME EVERYONE THOUGHT THIS IS EVERYONE THOUGHT THIS IS EXTREMELY POLITICALLY RISKY EXTREMELY POLITICALLY RISKY

POLITICIANS GET A SYMPATHY POLITICIANS GET A SYMPATHY REBOUND IF YOU TRY TO IMPEACH REBOUND IF YOU TRY TO IMPEACH THEM AND WILL THE AMERICAN THEM AND WILL THE AMERICAN PUBLIC UNDERSTAND THIS STUFF PUBLIC UNDERSTAND THIS STUFF ABOUT UKRAINE ABOUT UKRAINE AS POMPEO SAID TO HIS SECRETARY AS POMPEO SAID TO HIS SECRETARY OF STATE, CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT? OF STATE, CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT? THE AMERICAN PUBLIC DOESN’T CARE THE AMERICAN PUBLIC DOESN’T CARE ABOUT UKRAINE ABOUT UKRAINE HE SAID THIS A COUPLE OF DAYS HE SAID THIS A COUPLE OF DAYS BEFORE HE WAS GOING THERE

BEFORE HE WAS GOING THERE AND THE FACT THE SPEAKER WAS AND THE FACT THE SPEAKER WAS ABLE TO PUT ALL OF THIS ABLE TO PUT ALL OF THIS TOGETHER, AND WE ENDED UP TOGETHER, AND WE ENDED UP POLITICALLY SHE DIDN’T HURT HER POLITICALLY SHE DIDN’T HURT HER PEOPLE PEOPLE IN TERMS OF THE CONSTITUTION, I IN TERMS OF THE CONSTITUTION, I THINK SHE DID THE RIGHT THING THINK SHE DID THE RIGHT THING

SHE WAS RELUCTANT, AS WE KNOW, SHE WAS RELUCTANT, AS WE KNOW, TO DO IT TO DO IT I THINK WHEN YOU GET DEPRESSED I THINK WHEN YOU GET DEPRESSED ABOUT AMERICAN GOVERNMENT AND ABOUT AMERICAN GOVERNMENT AND AMERICAN POLITICIANS AND

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