Key Witnesses Testify Ukraine Quid Pro Quo Directed By Mick Mulvaney | The Last Word | MSNBC

AND AT THE END OF THE SHOW, THE MOOD INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE NOW MOOD INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE NOW THAT THE FIRST EXCERPTS OF THE THAT THE FIRST EXCERPTS OF THE NEW ANONYMOUS BOOK ARE OUT NEW ANONYMOUS BOOK ARE OUT

>>> BUT WE BEGIN WITH THE NEWLY >>> BUT WE BEGIN WITH THE NEWLY RELEASED TRANSCRIPTS FROM TWO RELEASED TRANSCRIPTS FROM TWO MORE KEY WITNESSES IN THE MORE KEY WITNESSES IN THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY, ENDED AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY, ENDED AN EXPLOSIVE WEEK OF DAMNING EXPLOSIVE WEEK OF DAMNING REVELATIONS FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP REVELATIONS FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP THEY DETAIL THE BLATANT AND THEY DETAIL THE BLATANT AND EXPLICIT PUSH BY THE TRUMP EXPLICIT PUSH BY THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION TO PRESSURE ADMINISTRATION TO PRESSURE UKRAINE TO INVESTIGATE THE UKRAINE TO INVESTIGATE THE PRESIDENT’S POLITICAL RIVALS IN PRESIDENT’S POLITICAL RIVALS IN EXCHANGE FOR MILITARY AID AND A EXCHANGE FOR MILITARY AID AND A COVETED WHITE HOUSE MEETING COVETED WHITE HOUSE MEETING AND FOR THE FIRST TIME WHITE AND FOR THE FIRST TIME WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS TESTIFIED THE HOUSE OFFICIALS TESTIFIED THE QUID PRO QUO WAS ORCHESTRATED BY QUID PRO QUO WAS ORCHESTRATED BY ACTING WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF ACTING WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF MICK MULVANEY

STAFF MICK MULVANEY THIS AS ANOTHER POTENTIAL THIS AS ANOTHER POTENTIAL WITNESS, FORMER NATIONAL WITNESS, FORMER NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR JOHN BOLTON SECURITY ADVISOR JOHN BOLTON SIGNALS HE KNOWS KEY NEW DETAILS SIGNALS HE KNOWS KEY NEW DETAILS THAT HOUSE INVESTIGATORS DO NOT THAT HOUSE INVESTIGATORS DO NOT LIEUTENANT COLONEL ALEXANDER LIEUTENANT COLONEL ALEXANDER VINDMAN, THE TOP UKRAINE EXPERT VINDMAN, THE TOP UKRAINE EXPERT ON THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL ON THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL WAS LISTENING IN ON THE JULY WAS LISTENING IN ON THE JULY 25th PHONE CALL WHEN HE HEARD 25th PHONE CALL WHEN HE HEARD WHAT HE CALLED OBVIOUS DEMANDS WHAT HE CALLED OBVIOUS DEMANDS BY PRESIDENT TRUMP FOR UKRAINE’S BY PRESIDENT TRUMP FOR UKRAINE’S PRESIDENT TO INVESTIGATE THE PRESIDENT TO INVESTIGATE THE BIDENS AND THE 2016 ELECTION BIDENS AND THE 2016 ELECTION

HE WAS ASKED, QUOTE, WERE THERE HE WAS ASKED, QUOTE, WERE THERE ANY — WAS THERE ANY DOUBT IN ANY — WAS THERE ANY DOUBT IN YOUR MIND AS TO WHAT THE YOUR MIND AS TO WHAT THE PRESIDENT, YOUR PRESIDENT, WAS PRESIDENT, YOUR PRESIDENT, WAS ASKING FOR AS A DELIVERABLE? ASKING FOR AS A DELIVERABLE? VINDMAN ANSWERED, THERE WAS NO VINDMAN ANSWERED, THERE WAS NO DOUBT DOUBT LIEUTENANT COLONEL VINDMAN WAS LIEUTENANT COLONEL VINDMAN WAS ALSO PRESENT WHEN AMBASSADOR ALSO PRESENT WHEN AMBASSADOR GORDON SONDLAND TOLD UKRAINIAN GORDON SONDLAND TOLD UKRAINIAN OFFICIALS THAT A FACE-TO-FACE OFFICIALS THAT A FACE-TO-FACE MEETING WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS MEETING WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS DEPENDENT ON UKRAINE MAKING A DEPENDENT ON UKRAINE MAKING A PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT OF THESE PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT OF THESE INVESTIGATIONS INVESTIGATIONS HE DESCRIBED THE QUID PRO QUO

HE DESCRIBED THE QUID PRO QUO QUOTE, IT WAS EXPLICIT QUOTE, IT WAS EXPLICIT THERE WAS NO AMBIGUITY THERE WAS NO AMBIGUITY

THE HOLD ON UKRAINE’S MILITARY THE HOLD ON UKRAINE’S MILITARY AID CAME DIRECTLY FROM THE AID CAME DIRECTLY FROM THE PRESIDENT’S CHIEF OF STAFF, PRESIDENT’S CHIEF OF STAFF, ACCORDING TO VINDMAN’S ACCORDING TO VINDMAN’S TESTIMONY TESTIMONY QUOTE, SONDLAND HAD A QUOTE, SONDLAND HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MR MULVANEY, CONVERSATION WITH MR MULVANEY, AND THIS IS WHAT WAS REQUIRED IN AND THIS IS WHAT WAS REQUIRED IN ORDER TO GET A MEETING

ORDER TO GET A MEETING IN ORDER TO GET THE WHITE HOUSE IN ORDER TO GET THE WHITE HOUSE MEETING, THEY HAD TO DELIVER AN MEETING, THEY HAD TO DELIVER AN INVESTIGATION, END QUOTE INVESTIGATION, END QUOTE FIONA HILL WHO SERVED UNDER JOHN FIONA HILL WHO SERVED UNDER JOHN BOLTON ALSO POINTED TO MULVANEY BOLTON ALSO POINTED TO MULVANEY AS COORDINATING THE EXTORTION AS COORDINATING THE EXTORTION PLOT PLOT

TESTIFYING, QUOTE, AMBASSADOR TESTIFYING, QUOTE, AMBASSADOR SONDLAND IN FRONT OF THE SONDLAND IN FRONT OF THE UYANIANS ASUYAN UYANIANS ASUYAN UKRAINIANS AS I CAME IN WAS UKRAINIANS AS I CAME IN WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW HE HAD AN TALKING ABOUT HOW HE HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH CHIEF OF STAFF AGREEMENT WITH CHIEF OF STAFF MULVANEY FOR A MEETING WITH U MULVANEY FOR A MEETING WITH U UKRAINIANS IF THEY WERE GOING TO UKRAINIANS IF THEY WERE GOING TO GO FORWARD WITH INVESTIGATIONS GO FORWARD WITH INVESTIGATIONS THESE SHED LIGHT ON THE COMMENTS THESE SHED LIGHT ON THE COMMENTS MULVANEY MADE LAST MONTH MULVANEY MADE LAST MONTH >> DID HE ALSO MENTION TO ME IN >> DID HE ALSO MENTION TO ME IN THE PAST THE CORRUPTION RELATED THE PAST THE CORRUPTION RELATED TO THE DNC SERVER? TO THE DNC SERVER? ABSOLUTELY, NO QUESTION ABOUT ABSOLUTELY, NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT

THAT BUT THAT’S IT BUT THAT’S IT THAT’S WHY WE HELD UP THE MONEY THAT’S WHY WE HELD UP THE MONEY

>> TO BE CHEER, WHAT YOU JUST >> TO BE CHEER, WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED WAS A QUID PRO QUO DESCRIBED WAS A QUID PRO QUO >> WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME WITH >> WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME WITH FOREIGN POLICY FOREIGN POLICY GET OVER IT

GET OVER IT >> WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME IN >> WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME IN FOREIGN POLICY FOREIGN POLICY GET OVER IT GET OVER IT

NOT SURPRISINGLY MULVANEY NOT SURPRISINGLY MULVANEY REFUSED TO COMPLY WITH THE REFUSED TO COMPLY WITH THE SUBPOENA TO TESTIFY IN THE HOUSE SUBPOENA TO TESTIFY IN THE HOUSE IMPEACHMENT COMMITTEE HEARINGS IMPEACHMENT COMMITTEE HEARINGS TODAY BEFORE THE HEARINGS GO TODAY BEFORE THE HEARINGS GO PUBLIC NEXT WEEK PUBLIC NEXT WEEK FIONA HILL ALSO TESTIFIED THAT FIONA HILL ALSO TESTIFIED THAT BOLTON OBJECTED TO WHAT HE BOLTON OBJECTED TO WHAT HE CALLED THE, QUOTE, DRUG DEAL CALLED THE, QUOTE, DRUG DEAL THAT MULVANEY AND SONDLAND WERE THAT MULVANEY AND SONDLAND WERE COOKING UP COOKING UP QUOTE, BOLTON BELIEVED THEY WERE QUOTE, BOLTON BELIEVED THEY WERE MAKING AN IMPROPER ARRANGEMENT MAKING AN IMPROPER ARRANGEMENT PREDICATING THE MEETING IN THE PREDICATING THE MEETING IN THE WHITE HOUSE ON THE UKRAINIANS WHITE HOUSE ON THE UKRAINIANS AGREEING TO RESTART AGREEING TO RESTART INVESTIGATIONS THAT HAD BEEN INVESTIGATIONS THAT HAD BEEN DROPPED

DROPPED HILL TESTIFIED THAT BOLTON HILL TESTIFIED THAT BOLTON REPEATEDLY TOLD HIS STAFF THAT REPEATEDLY TOLD HIS STAFF THAT NO ONE — NO ONE SHOULD BE NO ONE — NO ONE SHOULD BE MEETING WITH RUDY GIULIANI, THE MEETING WITH RUDY GIULIANI, THE PRESIDENT’S LAWYER PRESIDENT’S LAWYER AFTER YOU AFTER YOU AFTER YOU AFTER YOU AFTER YOU AFTER YOU AFTER MARIE YOVANOVITCH WAS AFTER MARIE YOVANOVITCH WAS OUSTED OUSTED

AS HOUSE REPUBLICANS PREPARE FOR AS HOUSE REPUBLICANS PREPARE FOR THEIR LIST OF WITNESSES FOR THE THEIR LIST OF WITNESSES FOR THE TRUMP IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY, TRUMP TRUMP IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY, TRUMP PS PS TRUMP’S ALLIES ARE EMPLOYING A TRUMP’S ALLIES ARE EMPLOYING A NEW TACTIC NEW TACTIC THEY’RE SOWING DOUBTS WHETHER THEY’RE SOWING DOUBTS WHETHER SONDLAND, GIULIANI AND MULVANEY SONDLAND, GIULIANI AND MULVANEY WERE ACTUALLY REPRESENTING THE WERE ACTUALLY REPRESENTING THE PRESIDENT OR FREELANCING TO PRESIDENT OR FREELANCING TO PURSUE THEIR OWN AGENDAS PURSUE THEIR OWN AGENDAS THE GOP IS EFFECTIVELY OFFERING THE GOP IS EFFECTIVELY OFFERING UP THE THREE TO BE FALL GUYS

UP THE THREE TO BE FALL GUYS THAT MIGHT EXPLAIN WHY DONALD THAT MIGHT EXPLAIN WHY DONALD TRUMP TRIED TO DISTANCE HIMSELF TRUMP TRIED TO DISTANCE HIMSELF TODAY FROM HIS MULTI-MILLION TODAY FROM HIS MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR DONOR TURNED AMBASSADOR DOLLAR DONOR TURNED AMBASSADOR >> GORDON SONDLAND SAID AT THE >> GORDON SONDLAND SAID AT THE BEGINNING OF SEPTEMBER HE BEGINNING OF SEPTEMBER HE PRESUMED THERE WAS A QUID PRO PRESUMED THERE WAS A QUID PRO QUO QUO

THEN THERE WAS A TELEPHONE CALL THEN THERE WAS A TELEPHONE CALL TO YOU ON SEPTEMBER 9th TO YOU ON SEPTEMBER 9th HAD HE EVER TALKED TO YOU PRIOR HAD HE EVER TALKED TO YOU PRIOR TO THAT TELEPHONE CALL? TO THAT TELEPHONE CALL? >> LET ME JUST TELL YOU I HARDLY >> LET ME JUST TELL YOU I HARDLY KNOW THE GENTLEMAN, BUT THIS IS KNOW THE GENTLEMAN, BUT THIS IS THE MAN WHO SAID THERE WAS NO THE MAN WHO SAID THERE WAS NO QUID PRO QUO QUID PRO QUO AND HE STILL SAYS THAT

AND HE STILL SAYS THAT >> I HARDLY KNEW THE GENTLEMAN >> I HARDLY KNEW THE GENTLEMAN THAT’S A FAR CRY FROM HIS TWEET THAT’S A FAR CRY FROM HIS TWEET JUST LAST MONTH CALLING JUST LAST MONTH CALLING SONDLAND, QUOTE, A REALLY GOOD SONDLAND, QUOTE, A REALLY GOOD MAN AND GREAT AMERICAN MAN AND GREAT AMERICAN

BUT I HARDLY KNEW THE GENTLEMAN BUT I HARDLY KNEW THE GENTLEMAN GORDON SONDLAND REVISED HIS GORDON SONDLAND REVISED HIS TESTIMONY THIS WEEK TESTIMONY THIS WEEK STILL UNCLEAR WHETHER JOHN STILL UNCLEAR WHETHER JOHN BOLTON WILL TESTIFY

BOLTON WILL TESTIFY BUT IN A LETTER TO THE HOUSE BUT IN A LETTER TO THE HOUSE GENERAL COUNCIL TODAY BOLTON’S GENERAL COUNCIL TODAY BOLTON’S LAWYERS SAID THAT JOHN BOLTON, LAWYERS SAID THAT JOHN BOLTON, QUOTE, WAS PERSONALLY INVOLVED QUOTE, WAS PERSONALLY INVOLVED IN MANY OF THE EVENTS, MEETINGS IN MANY OF THE EVENTS, MEETINGS AND CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHICH AND CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHICH YOU ALREADY HAVE RECEIVED YOU ALREADY HAVE RECEIVED TESTIMONY AS WELL AS MANY TESTIMONY AS WELL AS MANY RELEVANT MEETINGS AND RELEVANT MEETINGS AND CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE NOT YET CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE NOT YET BEEN DISCUSSED IN THE BEEN DISCUSSED IN THE TESTIMONIES THUS FAR TESTIMONIES THUS FAR LEADING OFF OUR DISCUSSION LEADING OFF OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT IS FRESHMAN DEMOCRATIC TONIGHT IS FRESHMAN DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSWOMAN FROM CALIFORNIA, A CONGRESSWOMAN FROM CALIFORNIA, A MEBL OF MEBL OF MEMBER OF THE OVERSIGHT MEMBER OF THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE AND ATTENDED BOTH COMMITTEE AND ATTENDED BOTH FIONA HILL AND LIEUTENANT FIONA HILL AND LIEUTENANT COLONEL VINDMAN’S TESTIMONIES COLONEL VINDMAN’S TESTIMONIES

AND AN MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR AND AN MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR AND NEERA TANDEN A FORMER SENIOR AND NEERA TANDEN A FORMER SENIOR ADVISOR TO PRESIDENT OBAMA AND ADVISOR TO PRESIDENT OBAMA AND HILLARY CLINTON HILLARY CLINTON WELCOME TO ALL THREE OF YOU

WELCOME TO ALL THREE OF YOU THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE CONGRESSMAN, I WANT TO ASK YOU CONGRESSMAN, I WANT TO ASK YOU BECAUSE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO BECAUSE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LISTEN IN TO SOME OF THIS LISTEN IN TO SOME OF THIS TESTIMONY TESTIMONY

THERE’S A LOT OF SIMILARITY THERE’S A LOT OF SIMILARITY IF YOU’RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH IF YOU’RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THESE NAMES, THERE WILL BE A THESE NAMES, THERE WILL BE A SAMENESS TO THE TESTIMONY SAMENESS TO THE TESTIMONY BECAUSE THEY’RE TESTIFYING OR BECAUSE THEY’RE TESTIFYING OR THEY HAVE GIVEN IN THEIR THEY HAVE GIVEN IN THEIR DEPOSITIONS DETAILS THAT LARGELY DEPOSITIONS DETAILS THAT LARGELY SUPPORT EACH OTHER WITH ONE SUPPORT EACH OTHER WITH ONE EXCEPTION, AND THAT WAS GORDON EXCEPTION, AND THAT WAS GORDON SONDLAND WHO GAVE A DEPOSITION, SONDLAND WHO GAVE A DEPOSITION, GAVE STATEMENTS AND THEN HE WENT GAVE STATEMENTS AND THEN HE WENT BACK AND FIXED EMTHEM TO BE MORE BACK AND FIXED EMTHEM TO BE MORE IN LINE WITH THE TESTIMONY OF IN LINE WITH THE TESTIMONY OF OTHERS OTHERS >> THAT’S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT

>> THAT’S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE WITNESSES HAS COME THROUGH, WITNESSES HAS COME THROUGH, PROVIDED CONSISTENT TESTIMONIES PROVIDED CONSISTENT TESTIMONIES THAT LINE UP EXACTLY WITH WHAT THAT LINE UP EXACTLY WITH WHAT THE WHISTLE-BLOWER REPORT SAID THE WHISTLE-BLOWER REPORT SAID WITH THE EXCEPTION OF AMBASSADOR WITH THE EXCEPTION OF AMBASSADOR SONDLAND SONDLAND AMBASSADOR SONDLAND HAD AN ACUTE AMBASSADOR SONDLAND HAD AN ACUTE CASE OF SELECTIVE AMNESIA WHEN CASE OF SELECTIVE AMNESIA WHEN HE TESTIFIED HE TESTIFIED

AND MANY WOULD PROBABLY SUGGEST AND MANY WOULD PROBABLY SUGGEST IT WAS BORDERLINE PERJURY AT IT WAS BORDERLINE PERJURY AT TIMES TIMES AND OBVIOUSLY HIM COMING BACK AND OBVIOUSLY HIM COMING BACK AND SUPPLEMENTING HIS TESTIMONY AND SUPPLEMENTING HIS TESTIMONY WAS TO BASICALLY TRY AND FILL IN WAS TO BASICALLY TRY AND FILL IN HOLES AFTER HE SAW HOW OTHERS HOLES AFTER HE SAW HOW OTHERS TESTIFIED TESTIFIED >> AND FIONA HILL HAS >> AND FIONA HILL HAS SUBSEQUENTLY SAID EVEN AFTER HIS SUBSEQUENTLY SAID EVEN AFTER HIS REPAIRED TESTIMONY HE’S STILL REPAIRED TESTIMONY HE’S STILL NOT FULLY TELLING THE TRUTH

NOT FULLY TELLING THE TRUTH SHE SAID I HAD A BLOW UP WITH SHE SAID I HAD A BLOW UP WITH SONDLAND WHEN HE TOLD ME HE WAS SONDLAND WHEN HE TOLD ME HE WAS IN CHARGE OF UKRAINE BECAUSE IN CHARGE OF UKRAINE BECAUSE INITIALLY I SAID TO HIM, YOU’RE INITIALLY I SAID TO HIM, YOU’RE NOT NOT AND I SAID WHO SAID YOU’RE IN AND I SAID WHO SAID YOU’RE IN CHARGE OF UKRAINE, GORDON? CHARGE OF UKRAINE, GORDON? AND HE SAID THE PRESIDENT, WELL, AND HE SAID THE PRESIDENT, WELL, THAT SHUT ME UP BECAUSE YOU THAT SHUT ME UP BECAUSE YOU CAN’T REALLY ARGUE WITH THAT CAN’T REALLY ARGUE WITH THAT

GORDON SONDLAND IS THE AMERICAN GORDON SONDLAND IS THE AMERICAN AMBASSADOR TO THE EUROPEAN AMBASSADOR TO THE EUROPEAN UNION UNION A LOT OF PEOPLE MIGHT REALLY A LOT OF PEOPLE MIGHT REALLY WANT UKRAINE TO BE IN THE WANT UKRAINE TO BE IN THE EUROPEAN UNION, BUT IT’S NOT EUROPEAN UNION, BUT IT’S NOT AND WE HAD AN AMBASSADOR THERE

AND WE HAD AN AMBASSADOR THERE AND THEN WE HAD — SO GORDON AND THEN WE HAD — SO GORDON SONDLAND REALLY DIDN’T HAVE SONDLAND REALLY DIDN’T HAVE BUSINESS LEADING THE POLICY IN BUSINESS LEADING THE POLICY IN THE UKRAINE HOUSE THE UKRAINE HOUSE >> THAT’S CORRECT >> THAT’S CORRECT

AND WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND AND WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND EVERY ONE OF THESE WITNESSES THE EVERY ONE OF THESE WITNESSES THE EXCEPTION OF AMBASSADOR SONDLAND EXCEPTION OF AMBASSADOR SONDLAND ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE DEDICATED ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE DEDICATED THEIR LIFE SERVING PRE-S BOTH THEIR LIFE SERVING PRE-S BOTH REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT THROUGH REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT THROUGH MULTIPLE ADMINISTRATIONS MULTIPLE ADMINISTRATIONS THEY TAKE VERY COPIOUS NOTES OF THEY TAKE VERY COPIOUS NOTES OF EVERY SINGLE MEETING AND PHONE EVERY SINGLE MEETING AND PHONE CALL CALL ON THE OTHER HAND, AMBASSADOR ON THE OTHER HAND, AMBASSADOR SONDLAND IS A POLITICAL SONDLAND IS A POLITICAL APPOINTEE OF TRUMP’S WHO GOT THE APPOINTEE OF TRUMP’S WHO GOT THE JOB BASICALLY FOR GIVING A JOB BASICALLY FOR GIVING A MILLION DOLLARS TO HIS MILLION DOLLARS TO HIS INAUGURATION

INAUGURATION SO UNFORTUNATELY WE’VE GOT SO UNFORTUNATELY WE’VE GOT ALMOST THE KEYSTONE COPS WITH ALMOST THE KEYSTONE COPS WITH HIM WITH HIM AND GIULIANI AND HIM WITH HIM AND GIULIANI AND SECRETARY PERRY AND OTHERS SECRETARY PERRY AND OTHERS TRYING TO RUN THIS BACK CHANNEL TRYING TO RUN THIS BACK CHANNEL OF COMMUNICATION OF COMMUNICATION >> NATASHA, YOU’RE A NATIONAL >> NATASHA, YOU’RE A NATIONAL SECURITY EXPERT, AND THERE IS A SECURITY EXPERT, AND THERE IS A MASSIVE NATIONAL SECURITY MASSIVE NATIONAL SECURITY COMPONENT TO THIS COMPONENT TO THIS

SO WHILE THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE SO WHILE THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO WILL BE FRUSTRATED, WHO WILL BE FRUSTRATED, HORRIFIED, DISGUSTED WITH WHAT HORRIFIED, DISGUSTED WITH WHAT IT IS ALLEGED THAT PRESIDENT IT IS ALLEGED THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS DONE BECAUSE HE MAY TRUMP HAS DONE BECAUSE HE MAY HAVE DONE SOMETHING FOR PERSONAL HAVE DONE SOMETHING FOR PERSONAL POLITICAL GAIN, THE MORE POLITICAL GAIN, THE MORE IMPORTANT PART OF THE TESTIMONY IMPORTANT PART OF THE TESTIMONY FROM VINDMAN AND FIONA HILL WAS FROM VINDMAN AND FIONA HILL WAS THE RISK AT WHICH THE UNITED THE RISK AT WHICH THE UNITED STATES IN HOLDING BACK THIS $391 STATES IN HOLDING BACK THIS $391 MILLION WAS PUTTING UKRAINE AT MILLION WAS PUTTING UKRAINE AT IN THE MIDST OF A REMARKABLY IN THE MIDST OF A REMARKABLY IMPORTANT CONFRONTATION THAT IMPORTANT CONFRONTATION THAT UKRAINE IS HAVING WITH RUSSIA UKRAINE IS HAVING WITH RUSSIA >> ABSOLUTELY, ALI >> ABSOLUTELY, ALI AND ONE OF THE MOST STRIKING AND ONE OF THE MOST STRIKING THINGS I THINK GOING BACK TO THE THINGS I THINK GOING BACK TO THE DEPOSITION RELEASED YESTERDAY AS DEPOSITION RELEASED YESTERDAY AS TOP STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL TOP STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL GEORGE KENT WAS WHEN HE SAID GEORGE KENT WAS WHEN HE SAID THAT THE UKRAINE AID THAT THE THAT THE UKRAINE AID THAT THE U

S GIVES TO UKRAINE IN ORDER US GIVES TO UKRAINE IN ORDER TO FEND OFF RUSSIAN AGGRESSION TO FEND OFF RUSSIAN AGGRESSION IS ACTUALLY MORE IN THE NATIONAL IS ACTUALLY MORE IN THE NATIONAL SECURITY INTEREST OF THE UNITED SECURITY INTEREST OF THE UNITED STATES THAN IT EVEN IS IN THE STATES THAN IT EVEN IS IN THE NATIONAL INTEREST OF UKRAINE NATIONAL INTEREST OF UKRAINE

AND HE SAID I CAN’T GET INTO AND HE SAID I CAN’T GET INTO THAT IN AN OPENING SETTING, I THAT IN AN OPENING SETTING, I CAN ONLY GET INTO THE DETAILS OF CAN ONLY GET INTO THE DETAILS OF THAT IN A CLASSIFIED SETTING THAT IN A CLASSIFIED SETTING BUT HE EMPHASIZED THIS POINT, BUT HE EMPHASIZED THIS POINT, THAT THIS WAS NOT JUST THE THAT THIS WAS NOT JUST THE PRESIDENT TRYING TO GET PERSONAL PRESIDENT TRYING TO GET PERSONAL POLITICAL FAVORS POLITICAL FAVORS IT’S NOT JUST ABOUT THAT BUT IT’S NOT JUST ABOUT THAT BUT ALSO ABOUT THE PRESIDENT TOYING ALSO ABOUT THE PRESIDENT TOYING WITH U

S NATIONAL SECURITY WITH US NATIONAL SECURITY

I THINK ONCE YOU START TO THINK I THINK ONCE YOU START TO THINK ABOUT IT IN THOSE TERMS, IN ABOUT IT IN THOSE TERMS, IN TERMS OF FENDING OFF RUSSIAN TERMS OF FENDING OFF RUSSIAN AGGRESSION, OF THE KIND THAT WE AGGRESSION, OF THE KIND THAT WE WEREN’T REALLY HELPING WITH WEREN’T REALLY HELPING WITH BEFORE RUSSIA INVADED EASTERN BEFORE RUSSIA INVADED EASTERN UKRAINE IN 2014 AND ANNEXED UKRAINE IN 2014 AND ANNEXED CRIMEA AND LOOK WHAT HAPPENED CRIMEA AND LOOK WHAT HAPPENED THEN YOU START TO GET A FULLER THEN YOU START TO GET A FULLER PICTURE OF THE REAL RISK THE PICTURE OF THE REAL RISK THE PRESIDENT PUT THE UNITED STATES PRESIDENT PUT THE UNITED STATES HERE JUST TO GET DIRT ON HIS HERE JUST TO GET DIRT ON HIS POLITICAL RIVALS POLITICAL RIVALS >> THE ISSUE IS AS THIS BECOMES >> THE ISSUE IS AS THIS BECOMES PUBLIC AND AS WE’RE SEEING THESE PUBLIC AND AS WE’RE SEEING THESE TRANSCRIPTS OF THE DEPOSITIONS, TRANSCRIPTS OF THE DEPOSITIONS, THERE ARE MANY AMERICANS THERE ARE MANY AMERICANS POSSIBLY EVEN CONSERVATIVE POSSIBLY EVEN CONSERVATIVE AMERICANS TO WHOM THAT MAY BE AMERICANS TO WHOM THAT MAY BE THE BIGGER PROBLEM

THE BIGGER PROBLEM THE NATIONAL SECURITY RISK THAT THE NATIONAL SECURITY RISK THAT WE PUT OUR ALLIES IN AS WELL AS WE PUT OUR ALLIES IN AS WELL AS THE NATIONAL SECURITY RISK TO THE NATIONAL SECURITY RISK TO AMERICA AMERICA THIS IS NOT CHARITABLE FOOD THIS IS NOT CHARITABLE FOOD DONATIONS TO UKRAINE BECAUSE OF DONATIONS TO UKRAINE BECAUSE OF A FAMINE A FAMINE

THIS IS ACTUALLY IN THE NATIONAL THIS IS ACTUALLY IN THE NATIONAL INTEREST OF THE UNITED STATES INTEREST OF THE UNITED STATES THAT THIS POLICY WAS APPROVED BY THAT THIS POLICY WAS APPROVED BY CONGRESS AND THAT FUNDING WAS CONGRESS AND THAT FUNDING WAS APPROVED BY CONGRESS APPROVED BY CONGRESS A GUY LIKE MICK MULVANEY BACK IN A GUY LIKE MICK MULVANEY BACK IN HIS DAYS AS A MEMBER OF CONGRESS HIS DAYS AS A MEMBER OF CONGRESS WOULD HAVE HAD A MASSIVE PROBLEM WOULD HAVE HAD A MASSIVE PROBLEM WITH THAT WITH THAT >> YEAH, THIS IS — WHAT I WOULD >> YEAH, THIS IS — WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT THIS IS THAT SAY IS THAT THIS IS THAT AMBASSADOR TAYLOR ALSO IN HIS AMBASSADOR TAYLOR ALSO IN HIS OPENING LETTER REALLY MAKES OPENING LETTER REALLY MAKES CLEAR HOW MUCH THE UKRAINIANS CLEAR HOW MUCH THE UKRAINIANS RELIED ON — HE TESTIFIES RELIED ON — HE TESTIFIES VIVIDLY OF GOING TO THE FRONT VIVIDLY OF GOING TO THE FRONT LINES AND SEEING SOLDIERS LINES AND SEEING SOLDIERS FIGHTING

FIGHTING AND HIS CONCERN IS THAT SOLDIERS AND HIS CONCERN IS THAT SOLDIERS WOULD DIE WITHOUT THE AID OR WOULD DIE WITHOUT THE AID OR MORE PEOPLE WOULD DIE WITHOUT MORE PEOPLE WOULD DIE WITHOUT THE AID THE AID SO I THINK THAT IS AN ISSUE OF SO I THINK THAT IS AN ISSUE OF NATIONAL SECURITY FOR THE NATIONAL SECURITY FOR THE UKRAINIANS, BUT OBVIOUSLY AS UKRAINIANS, BUT OBVIOUSLY AS NATASHA POINTS OUT, IT’S ALSO A NATASHA POINTS OUT, IT’S ALSO A NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE FOR US NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE FOR US

I THINK THE ISSUE WITH THE I THINK THE ISSUE WITH THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY IS WE WILL SEE PUBLIC TESTIMONY IS WE WILL SEE A SERIES OF PUBLIC SERVANTS A SERIES OF PUBLIC SERVANTS REALLY SPELL OUT, NOT REALLY REALLY SPELL OUT, NOT REALLY JUST THE QUID PRO QUO, BUT JUST THE QUID PRO QUO, BUT REALLY WHAT A QUID PRO QUO IS REALLY WHAT A QUID PRO QUO IS WHICH IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE WHICH IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND HIS EXTORTION UNITED STATES AND HIS EXTORTION TACTICS, AND THE IDEA THAT TACTICS, AND THE IDEA THAT REPUBLICANS ARE PUTTING UP A REPUBLICANS ARE PUTTING UP A NOTION THAT MICK MULVANEY, THE NOTION THAT MICK MULVANEY, THE PRESIDENT’S CHIEF OF STAFF CAME PRESIDENT’S CHIEF OF STAFF CAME UP WITH THIS ON HIS OWN WHEN HE UP WITH THIS ON HIS OWN WHEN HE AGAIN LET’S JUST REMIND EVERYONE AGAIN LET’S JUST REMIND EVERYONE HAVE THE TRANSCRIPT OR MEMO HAVE THE TRANSCRIPT OR MEMO RELEASED BY THE WHITE HOUSE RELEASED BY THE WHITE HOUSE SAYING THAT IT’S IN THE SAYING THAT IT’S IN THE PRESIDENT’S OWN WORDS, YOU KNOW, PRESIDENT’S OWN WORDS, YOU KNOW, I HAVE HAVE A FAVOR HERE, I HAVE HAVE A FAVOR HERE, THOUGH THOUGH IT’S THE PRESIDENT’S OWN WORDS IT’S THE PRESIDENT’S OWN WORDS THAT CONNECT HIM BACK THAT CONNECT HIM BACK AND IT’S NOT GOING TO BE AND IT’S NOT GOING TO BE POSSIBLE, I THINK, FOR AMERICANS POSSIBLE, I THINK, FOR AMERICANS TO SEE MICK MULVANEY, THE TO SEE MICK MULVANEY, THE PRESIDENT’S CHIEF OF STAFF, AS A PRESIDENT’S CHIEF OF STAFF, AS A LONE WOLF ON THIS ISSUE

LONE WOLF ON THIS ISSUE >> CONGRESSMAN, THIS IS >> CONGRESSMAN, THIS IS FASCINATING LINE THAT "THE FASCINATING LINE THAT "THE WASHINGTON POST" REPEATING THE WASHINGTON POST" REPEATING THE REPORTING THAT THIS IS A PART OF REPORTING THAT THIS IS A PART OF THE GOP STRATEGY THAT NEERA WAS THE GOP STRATEGY THAT NEERA WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT, PAINTING ONE JUST TALKING ABOUT, PAINTING ONE OR TWO OR THREE OF SONDLAND, OR TWO OR THREE OF SONDLAND, MULVANEY AND GIULIANI AS THE MULVANEY AND GIULIANI AS THE REAL MASTERMINDS BEHIND THIS AND REAL MASTERMINDS BEHIND THIS AND MAY HAVE BEEN EXECUTING IT AND MAY HAVE BEEN EXECUTING IT AND DELIVERING THE MESSAGES DELIVERING THE MESSAGES IT BECOMES HARD TO UNDERSTAND IT BECOMES HARD TO UNDERSTAND MAYBE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MAYBE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF GIULIANI WHO SEEMED TO BE GIULIANI WHO SEEMED TO BE RUNNING A SIDE HUSTLE IN UKRAINE RUNNING A SIDE HUSTLE IN UKRAINE WHY THEY WOULD HOLD BACK THE AID WHY THEY WOULD HOLD BACK THE AID FOR THEIR PERSONAL GAIN BECAUSE FOR THEIR PERSONAL GAIN BECAUSE IT’S NOT OBVIOUS WHAT THE IT’S NOT OBVIOUS WHAT THE PERSONAL GAIN WOULD BE PERSONAL GAIN WOULD BE

>> WE SAW THIS BEFORE WITH >> WE SAW THIS BEFORE WITH MICHAEL COHEN MICHAEL COHEN THE PRESIDENT TURNED ON MICHAEL THE PRESIDENT TURNED ON MICHAEL COHEN COHEN MICHAEL COHEN EVEN ADMONISHED MICHAEL COHEN EVEN ADMONISHED EVERYONE IN THE HEARING IN FRONT EVERYONE IN THE HEARING IN FRONT OF MY COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT OF MY COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT THAT BEWARE, TRUMP WILL TURN ON THAT BEWARE, TRUMP WILL TURN ON YOU, TOO

YOU, TOO SO I FULLY EXPECT PRESIDENT SO I FULLY EXPECT PRESIDENT TRUMP TO START DISTANCING TRUMP TO START DISTANCING HIMSELF FROM GIULIANI AND THE HIMSELF FROM GIULIANI AND THE REST OF THEM AND ARGUABLY

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