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YOU CANNOT MAKE IT UP YOU CANNOT MAKE IT UP I WAS HANDED NEWS ON THE I WAS HANDED NEWS ON THE MULVANEY SUIT AS I WAS DOING MULVANEY SUIT AS I WAS DOING THIS BREAKDOWN THIS BREAKDOWN REMEMBER ALL THE PRESSURE I JUST REMEMBER ALL THE PRESSURE I JUST WALKED THROUGH? WALKED THROUGH? HOW IT’S ODD THAT MICK MULVANEY HOW IT’S ODD THAT MICK MULVANEY IS MAKING COMMON CAUSE WITH IS MAKING COMMON CAUSE WITH THESE CRITICS OF TRUMP WHICH IS THESE CRITICS OF TRUMP WHICH IS SOMETHING THEY WERE ATTEMPTING SOMETHING THEY WERE ATTEMPTING TO DO IN COURT TODAY? TO DO IN COURT TODAY? I’M HOLDING HERE THE NEWS

I’M HOLDING HERE THE NEWS LAWYERS SAY THEY ARE WITHDRAWING LAWYERS SAY THEY ARE WITHDRAWING THE MOTION TO INTERVENE IN THIS THE MOTION TO INTERVENE IN THIS VERY CASE, BUT INSTEAD WILL, VERY CASE, BUT INSTEAD WILL, QUOTE, FILE THEIR OWN LAWSUIT AS QUOTE, FILE THEIR OWN LAWSUIT AS A SEPARATE CASE, MEANING THIS A SEPARATE CASE, MEANING THIS ENTIRE CONTROVERSY IS STILL VERY ENTIRE CONTROVERSY IS STILL VERY MUCH ALIVE, BUT MULVANEY PERHAPS MUCH ALIVE, BUT MULVANEY PERHAPS BUCKLING TO SOME OF THIS BUCKLING TO SOME OF THIS LATE-BREAKING PRESSURE ABOUT WHO LATE-BREAKING PRESSURE ABOUT WHO HE WAS WORKING HE WAS WORKING WITH AS PROMISED, WE BRING IN WITH AS PROMISED, WE BRING IN MOTHER JONES WASHINGTON BUREAU MOTHER JONES WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF DAVID CORN AND PAUL CHIEF DAVID CORN AND PAUL BUTLER BUTLER

GOOD EVENING, GENTLEMEN GOOD EVENING, GENTLEMEN >> GOOD EVENING >> GOOD EVENING >> DAVID, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE >> DAVID, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE NIGHTS

NIGHTS I GOT HANDED THIS AS WE WERE I GOT HANDED THIS AS WE WERE DOING THE BREAKDOWN DOING THE BREAKDOWN YOUR VIEW OF BOTH THE LARGER YOUR VIEW OF BOTH THE LARGER ARC, WHICH IS MULVANEY STILL NOT ARC, WHICH IS MULVANEY STILL NOT TAKING DONALD TRUMP AT HIS WORD TAKING DONALD TRUMP AT HIS WORD IN REQUESTING HE CLAM UP AND IN REQUESTING HE CLAM UP AND ALSO WHAT IT MEANS WITH THE ALSO WHAT IT MEANS WITH THE LATE-BREAKING NEWS THAT HE IS LATE-BREAKING NEWS THAT HE IS NOT GOING TO DO IT THROUGH THE NOT GOING TO DO IT THROUGH THE VEHICLE OF THE GUY WHO ACCUSED VEHICLE OF THE GUY WHO ACCUSED HIM OF COOKING UP A DRUG DEAL HIM OF COOKING UP A DRUG DEAL

>> MY HEAD IS STILL SPINNING >> MY HEAD IS STILL SPINNING FROM YOUR CRYSTAL CLEAR FROM YOUR CRYSTAL CLEAR EXPLANATION OF THIS ISSUE, EXPLANATION OF THIS ISSUE, BECAUSE IT IS RATHER BECAUSE IT IS RATHER COMPLICATED COMPLICATED >> THANK YOU >> THANK YOU >> AND IT DOES SEEM TO CUT >> AND IT DOES SEEM TO CUT AGAINST SOME INSTINCTUAL AGAINST SOME INSTINCTUAL POSITIONS

POSITIONS I MEAN, THE KEY THING TO KEEP IN I MEAN, THE KEY THING TO KEEP IN MIND HERE IS THAT MULVANEY IN MIND HERE IS THAT MULVANEY IN TESTIMONY THAT’S COME OUT TESTIMONY THAT’S COME OUT RECENTLY GETS MORE OF A CENTRAL RECENTLY GETS MORE OF A CENTRAL ROW IN THE EXTORTION BRIBERY ROW IN THE EXTORTION BRIBERY SCHEME, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO SCHEME, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO INDICATE INDICATE FIONA HILL, THE TOP RUSSIAN FIONA HILL, THE TOP RUSSIAN ADVISER IN THE WHITE HOUSE, WHEN ADVISER IN THE WHITE HOUSE, WHEN HER TESTIMONY WAS RELEASED THE HER TESTIMONY WAS RELEASED THE OTHER DAY, I THOUGHT ONE OF THE OTHER DAY, I THOUGHT ONE OF THE KEY POINTS WAS IT WASN’T JUST KEY POINTS WAS IT WASN’T JUST GIULIANI WHO WAS COOKING UP THIS GIULIANI WHO WAS COOKING UP THIS PRESSURE SCHEME AGAINST THE PRESSURE SCHEME AGAINST THE UKRAINIANS UKRAINIANS

IT WAS GIULIANI AND MULVANEY IT WAS GIULIANI AND MULVANEY AND AS YOU NOTED IN YOUR AND AS YOU NOTED IN YOUR WONDERFUL SETUP, WHEN JOHN WONDERFUL SETUP, WHEN JOHN BOLTON REFERRED TO THE FACT THAT BOLTON REFERRED TO THE FACT THAT I WON’T BE PART OF ANY DRUG I WON’T BE PART OF ANY DRUG DEAL, MEANING ANY ILLEGAL DEAL, MEANING ANY ILLEGAL IMPROPER ARRANGEMENT, HE CALLED IMPROPER ARRANGEMENT, HE CALLED IT SONDLAND’S AND MULVANEY’S IT SONDLAND’S AND MULVANEY’S DRUG DEAL DRUG DEAL >> HE SAID COOKING UP

>> HE SAID COOKING UP YOU’RE MAKING AN INFERENCE YOU’RE MAKING AN INFERENCE HE COULD HAVE MEANT THAT HE WAS HE COULD HAVE MEANT THAT HE WAS WORRIED ABOUT USING HEAT OR FIRE WORRIED ABOUT USING HEAT OR FIRE TO CREATE DRUGS IN THE WHITE TO CREATE DRUGS IN THE WHITE HOUSE HOUSE

>> YEAH, EXACTLY >> YEAH, EXACTLY >> NOT RULING THAT OUT >> NOT RULING THAT OUT >> THEY’RE DOING CRYSTAL METH >> THEY’RE DOING CRYSTAL METH THERE

THERE THEY’RE WATCHING "BREAKING BAD" THEY’RE WATCHING "BREAKING BAD" AND THAT’S WHAT THEY’RE DOING, AND THAT’S WHAT THEY’RE DOING, WHICH MIGHT BE AN EASIER OUT WHICH MIGHT BE AN EASIER OUT THAN WHAT THEY’RE DOING THAN WHAT THEY’RE DOING >> ONE COULD ARGUE SOME OF THE >> ONE COULD ARGUE SOME OF THE PENALTIES FOR CERTAIN LOW LEVEL PENALTIES FOR CERTAIN LOW LEVEL DRUG OFFENSES ARE LOWER THAN THE DRUG OFFENSES ARE LOWER THAN THE KIND OF FEDERAL CORRUPTION CASES KIND OF FEDERAL CORRUPTION CASES PAUL NEEDS TO PROSECUTE PAUL NEEDS TO PROSECUTE

>> MULVANEY HAS GOTTEN TO BE A >> MULVANEY HAS GOTTEN TO BE A MORE CRITICAL PLAYER, PLUS AS MORE CRITICAL PLAYER, PLUS AS YOU KNOW THERE WAS HIS YOU KNOW THERE WAS HIS CONFESSION IN FRONT OF NATIONAL CONFESSION IN FRONT OF NATIONAL TV TV >> YEAH >> YEAH >> SO THE FACT THAT HE IS >> SO THE FACT THAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT THIS OPENLY AND TALKING ABOUT THIS OPENLY AND PUBLICLY CERTAINLY WOULD PUBLICLY CERTAINLY WOULD UNDERMINE ANY CLAIM HE HAS

UNDERMINE ANY CLAIM HE HAS >> ANY PRIVILEGE >> ANY PRIVILEGE >> TO ABSOLUTE IMMUNITY >> TO ABSOLUTE IMMUNITY

NOT EXECUTIVE, BUT ABSOLUTE NOT EXECUTIVE, BUT ABSOLUTE IMMUNITY IMMUNITY DON’T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT DON’T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT CIRCUMSTANCES DAVID — BEFORE I CIRCUMSTANCES DAVID — BEFORE I GO TO PAUL ON THE LAW, ON THE GO TO PAUL ON THE LAW, ON THE WASHINGTON OF THIS, IT’S A VERY WASHINGTON OF THIS, IT’S A VERY WASHINGTON STORY WASHINGTON STORY THERE WAS PUSHBACK

THERE WAS PUSHBACK THERE WAS SCRUTINY THERE WAS SCRUTINY OBVIOUSLY IT SEEMS BREAKING OBVIOUSLY IT SEEMS BREAKING NEWS, BUT MY READ ON IT WOULD BE NEWS, BUT MY READ ON IT WOULD BE MULVANEY HAS BUCKLED TO SOME OF MULVANEY HAS BUCKLED TO SOME OF THAT PRESSURE THAT PRESSURE

DO YOU VIEW THAT AS A THING DO YOU VIEW THAT AS A THING WHERE TRUMP AND THE PRESSURE WHERE TRUMP AND THE PRESSURE THAT MULVANEY IS UNDER, THEY THAT MULVANEY IS UNDER, THEY CARE MORE ABOUT HOW IT LOOKS CARE MORE ABOUT HOW IT LOOKS THAN THE UNDERLYING LITIGATION? THAN THE UNDERLYING LITIGATION? >> I THINK YOU HAD KUPPERMAN AND >> I THINK YOU HAD KUPPERMAN AND JOHN BOLTON SAYING GET OUT OF JOHN BOLTON SAYING GET OUT OF HERE HERE WE DON’T WANT YOU WE DON’T WANT YOU WE ARE REASONS FOR BRINGING THE WE ARE REASONS FOR BRINGING THE SUIT ARE DIFFERENT THAN YOURS

SUIT ARE DIFFERENT THAN YOURS WE TALK ABOUT NATIONAL SECURITY WE TALK ABOUT NATIONAL SECURITY MATTERS MATTERS YOU HAVE ALREADY CONFESSED YOU HAVE ALREADY CONFESSED

I THINK THEY SAW HIS INVOLVEMENT I THINK THEY SAW HIS INVOLVEMENT AS MAYBE POLLUTING THE CASE AS MAYBE POLLUTING THE CASE SO I DON’T KNOW TO WHAT DEGREE SO I DON’T KNOW TO WHAT DEGREE TRUMP CAME IN AND SAID DO OR TRUMP CAME IN AND SAID DO OR DON’T PROCEED WITH THIS, BUT IT DON’T PROCEED WITH THIS, BUT IT REALLY RAISED SO MANY EYEBROWS REALLY RAISED SO MANY EYEBROWS THAT IT SEEMED THAT HE WAS THAT IT SEEMED THAT HE WAS BASICALLY TRYING TO JOIN A PARTY BASICALLY TRYING TO JOIN A PARTY THAT DIDN’T WANT HIM ANYWHERE THAT DIDN’T WANT HIM ANYWHERE NEAR THE PUNCH BOWL NEAR THE PUNCH BOWL SO THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE SO THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE BOTTOM OF IT

BOTTOM OF IT BUT AS THE MAIN ISSUE OF TO BUT AS THE MAIN ISSUE OF TO TESTIFY OR NOT TO TESTIFY STILL TESTIFY OR NOT TO TESTIFY STILL REMAINS FRONT AND CENTER FOR ALL REMAINS FRONT AND CENTER FOR ALL OF THEM OF THEM >> PAUL, YOU’VE BEEN SITTING >> PAUL, YOU’VE BEEN SITTING HERE WITH ME THINKING THIS ALL HERE WITH ME THINKING THIS ALL THROUGH THROUGH

WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE THAT, WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE THAT, AGAIN, READING FROM THE BREAKING AGAIN, READING FROM THE BREAKING NEWS IT SAYS MULVANEY WILL STILL NEWS IT SAYS MULVANEY WILL STILL FILE HIS OWN LAWSUIT IN A FILE HIS OWN LAWSUIT IN A SEPARATE CASE, WHICH MEANS THE SEPARATE CASE, WHICH MEANS THE CORE OF WHAT WE’RE JUST CORE OF WHAT WE’RE JUST REPORTING ON, THAT RATHER THAN REPORTING ON, THAT RATHER THAN SAYING YES, MR PRESIDENT, THERE SAYING YES, MR PRESIDENT, THERE IS A GOOD REASON NOT TO TESTIFY, IS A GOOD REASON NOT TO TESTIFY, INSTEAD HE IS SAYING NO, MR INSTEAD HE IS SAYING NO, MR PRESIDENT, I’VE GOT TO KIND OF PRESIDENT, I’VE GOT TO KIND OF GET SOME OUTSIDE RULING HERE

GET SOME OUTSIDE RULING HERE >> YES >> YES SO ARI, IF YOUR BOSS THE SO ARI, IF YOUR BOSS THE PRESIDENT TELLS YOU NOT TO PRESIDENT TELLS YOU NOT TO TESTIFY, BUT THE CONGRESS ORDERS TESTIFY, BUT THE CONGRESS ORDERS YOU TO TESTIFY, WHAT DO YOU DO? YOU TO TESTIFY, WHAT DO YOU DO? THAT’S THE ISSUE BEFORE THE THAT’S THE ISSUE BEFORE THE COURTS COURTS

BOTH KUPPERMAN AND MULVANEY WERE BOTH KUPPERMAN AND MULVANEY WERE IN A SIMILAR SITUATION, BUT IN A SIMILAR SITUATION, BUT THERE ARE CRUCIAL DIFFERENCES THERE ARE CRUCIAL DIFFERENCES FIRST, KUPPERMAN IS SUING BOTH FIRST, KUPPERMAN IS SUING BOTH CONGRESS AND THE PRESIDENT CONGRESS AND THE PRESIDENT MULVANEY ONLY WANTS TO SUE MULVANEY ONLY WANTS TO SUE CONGRESS

CONGRESS AGAIN, HE IS GOING ALONG WITH AGAIN, HE IS GOING ALONG WITH WHAT TRUMP WANTS HIM TO DO WHAT TRUMP WANTS HIM TO DO KUPPERMAN IS A FORMER EMPLOYEE KUPPERMAN IS A FORMER EMPLOYEE

MULVANEY STILL IS THE ACTING MULVANEY STILL IS THE ACTING CHIEF OF STAFF AND THE HEAD OF CHIEF OF STAFF AND THE HEAD OF THE OFFICE OF OMB THE OFFICE OF OMB AND THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE, AND THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE, THOUGH, IS THAT KUPPERMAN IS THOUGH, IS THAT KUPPERMAN IS NEUTRAL NEUTRAL HE REALLY WANTS TO KNOW THE HE REALLY WANTS TO KNOW THE ANSWER

ANSWER HE IS BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD HE IS BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE, BETWEEN THE CONGRESS AND PLACE, BETWEEN THE CONGRESS AND THE PRESIDENT THE PRESIDENT MULVANEY IS ALL TEAM TRUMP MULVANEY IS ALL TEAM TRUMP

AND SO WE CAN ASSUME THAT AND SO WE CAN ASSUME THAT WHATEVER HE IS DOING, INCLUDING WHATEVER HE IS DOING, INCLUDING THIS BIZARRE MOVE OF JOINING THIS BIZARRE MOVE OF JOINING THIS LAWSUIT IS IN THE INTERESTS THIS LAWSUIT IS IN THE INTERESTS OF DONALD TRUMP OF DONALD TRUMP >> SO WHAT IS THE INTEREST? >> SO WHAT IS THE INTEREST? THAT’S A LITTLE BIT OF A THAT’S A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT THEORY THAN DAVID DIFFERENT THEORY THAN DAVID WHY GO INTO COURT AT ALL? WHY GO INTO COURT AT ALL? >> AGAIN, IT COULD BE SOME >> AGAIN, IT COULD BE SOME STALLING TACTIC

STALLING TACTIC THERE IS NO CASE OR CONTROVERSY THERE IS NO CASE OR CONTROVERSY WITH KUPPERMAN NOW WITH KUPPERMAN NOW SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT HAPPENS SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT HAPPENS IS THE JUDGE SAID LOOK, IS THE JUDGE SAID LOOK, KUPPERMAN CAME IN TO SEE IF HE KUPPERMAN CAME IN TO SEE IF HE HAS TO OBEY THE SUBPOENA HAS TO OBEY THE SUBPOENA

CONGRESS WITHDREW THE SUBPOENA CONGRESS WITHDREW THE SUBPOENA >> IN THAT PARTICULAR INSTANCE >> IN THAT PARTICULAR INSTANCE >> IN THAT CASE

>> IN THAT CASE CONGRESS SAYS WHENEVER PEOPLE CONGRESS SAYS WHENEVER PEOPLE WHO ARE PART OF THE WHO ARE PART OF THE ADMINISTRATION SAY THEY’RE NOT ADMINISTRATION SAY THEY’RE NOT GOING TO TESTIFY, WE’RE JUST GOING TO TESTIFY, WE’RE JUST GOING TO CHALK THAT UP GOING TO CHALK THAT UP >> WE’RE GOING TO ROLL RIGHT BY >> WE’RE GOING TO ROLL RIGHT BY

BUT BOLDIN IS STILL SEEKING THIS BUT BOLDIN IS STILL SEEKING THIS THERE THERE >> ARE OTHER COURT CASES IN >> ARE OTHER COURT CASES IN WHICH A JUDGE WILL DECIDE THE WHICH A JUDGE WILL DECIDE THE SAME ISSUE SAME ISSUE JOHN McGANN WAY BACK TO THE JOHN McGANN WAY BACK TO THE RUSSIA INVESTIGATION, HE IS IN RUSSIA INVESTIGATION, HE IS IN THE SAME POSITION

THE SAME POSITION HE IS A FORMER POSITION HE IS A FORMER POSITION HE HAS BEEN SUBPOENAED HE HAS BEEN SUBPOENAED

HE ASKED THE COURT TO TELL HIM HE ASKED THE COURT TO TELL HIM WHAT TO DO, SHOULD HE OBEY THE WHAT TO DO, SHOULD HE OBEY THE PRESIDENT OR CONGRESS PRESIDENT OR CONGRESS THAT CASE IS THE FURTHERst THAT CASE IS THE FURTHERst ALONG ALONG >> THAT’S DIFFERENT ALTHOUGH >> THAT’S DIFFERENT ALTHOUGH BOLTON’S LAWYERS HAVE ARGUED THE BOLTON’S LAWYERS HAVE ARGUED THE McGANN CASE IS POTENTIALLY McGANN CASE IS POTENTIALLY WEAKER FOR PELOSI AND THE WEAKER FOR PELOSI AND THE DEMOCRATS THAN THIS ONE, BECAUSE DEMOCRATS THAN THIS ONE, BECAUSE HERE THE FULL FORCE OF HERE THE FULL FORCE OF IMPEACHMENT POWERS ARE WITHOUT A IMPEACHMENT POWERS ARE WITHOUT A DOUBT IN PLAY

DOUBT IN PLAY >> THAT’S EXACTLY RIGHT >> THAT’S EXACTLY RIGHT ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF THIS ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF THIS BEING AN OFFICIAL IMPEACHMENT BEING AN OFFICIAL IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY IS THAT CONGRESS HAS A INQUIRY IS THAT CONGRESS HAS A RIGHT TO A LOT MORE EVIDENCE RIGHT TO A LOT MORE EVIDENCE

AND THE PRESIDENT’S CLAIMS OF AND THE PRESIDENT’S CLAIMS OF ABSOLUTE IMMUNITY OR EXECUTIVE ABSOLUTE IMMUNITY OR EXECUTIVE DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME FORCE IF DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME FORCE IF THERE ISES NO AN IMPEACHMENT THERE ISES NO AN IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY INQUIRY >> DAVID, YOU FEEL LIKE THIS IS >> DAVID, YOU FEEL LIKE THIS IS MSNBC OR COURT TV TONIGHT? MSNBC OR COURT TV TONIGHT? WE’RE RIGHT IN IT WE’RE RIGHT IN IT I WANT TO BROADEN BACK OUT

I WANT TO BROADEN BACK OUT IF EVERYONE IS SAYING ALL THESE IF EVERYONE IS SAYING ALL THESE NAMES AND ALL THESE SUITS FLYING NAMES AND ALL THESE SUITS FLYING BY, WE’RE STILL TALKING ABOUT BY, WE’RE STILL TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBER ONE TRUMP AIDE WHO THE NUMBER ONE TRUMP AIDE WHO HANDLED THE MONEY, WHO WAS HANDLED THE MONEY, WHO WAS CREDIBLY ACCUSED BY OTHER PEOPLE CREDIBLY ACCUSED BY OTHER PEOPLE OF BEING THE INSTRUMENT INNEWS OF BEING THE INSTRUMENT INNEWS GIULIANI, OUT-HOUSE GIULIANI, OUT-HOUSE

BUT HE IN-HOUSE BUT HE IN-HOUSE AND THEN WENT OUT ON TV AS YOU AND THEN WENT OUT ON TV AS YOU EMPHASIZED EMPHASIZED YOU CAN’T EMPHASIZE THIS ENOUGH YOU CAN’T EMPHASIZE THIS ENOUGH WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE WHEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENED AND SAID YEAH, THIS HAPPENED AND SAID YEAH, QUID PRO QUO BRIBERY WE DO IT QUID PRO QUO BRIBERY WE DO IT ALL THE TIME

ALL THE TIME GET OVER IT GET OVER IT AND THEN TRIED TO RETRACT THAT AND THEN TRIED TO RETRACT THAT

SO THAT’S WHERE IF HE DOES SO THAT’S WHERE IF HE DOES TESTIFY IN PUBLIC, WE’RE GOING TESTIFY IN PUBLIC, WE’RE GOING TO SEE SOME VERSION, THE MOST TO SEE SOME VERSION, THE MOST RECENT, MULVANEY 30 WHICH WE RECENT, MULVANEY 30 WHICH WE CALL THAT AROUND HERE POST FULL CALL THAT AROUND HERE POST FULL MULVANEY IS IS WHAT WE SAW ON MULVANEY IS IS WHAT WE SAW ON FOX FOX TAKE A LOOK, DAVID

TAKE A LOOK, DAVID >> YOU CONSIDER ASKED >> YOU CONSIDER ASKED SPECIFICALLY BY JONATHAN KARL SPECIFICALLY BY JONATHAN KARL WAS INVESTIGATING DEMOCRATS ONE WAS INVESTIGATING DEMOCRATS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS FOR HOLDING UP OF THE CONDITIONS FOR HOLDING UP THE AID? THE AID? WAS THAT PART OF THE QUID PRO WAS THAT PART OF THE QUID PRO QUO? QUO? AND YOU SAID IT HAPPENS ALL THE AND YOU SAID IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME TIME >> BUT GO BACK AND WATCH THAT I >> BUT GO BACK AND WATCH THAT I SAID BEFORE THERE NOT A QUID PRO SAID BEFORE THERE NOT A QUID PRO QUO QUO

>> YOU WERE SCAD BY JONATHAN >> YOU WERE SCAD BY JONATHAN KARL KARL YOU DESCRIBED A QUID PRO QUO AND YOU DESCRIBED A QUID PRO QUO AND YOU SAID THAT HAPPENS ALL THE YOU SAID THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME TIME >> AND AGAIN, REPORTERS WILL USE >> AND AGAIN, REPORTERS WILL USE THEIR LANGUAGE ALL THE TIME

THEIR LANGUAGE ALL THE TIME IFY MICHIGAN LANGUAGE NEVER SAID IFY MICHIGAN LANGUAGE NEVER SAID QUID PRO QUO QUID PRO QUO >> WELL, HE IS DOING WHAT HIS >> WELL, HE IS DOING WHAT HIS BOSS DOES, RIGHT? BOSS DOES, RIGHT? JUST DENYING REALITY, TRYING TO JUST DENYING REALITY, TRYING TO GAS LIGHT PEOPLE WHO HEARD VERY GAS LIGHT PEOPLE WHO HEARD VERY CLEARLY WHAT HE SAID CLEARLY WHAT HE SAID

EARLIER TODAY WE HAD DONALD EARLIER TODAY WE HAD DONALD TRUMP SAY THAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE TRUMP SAY THAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE DOCTORING THE TRANSCRIPTS COMING DOCTORING THE TRANSCRIPTS COMING OUT OF THE INVESTIGATION WHEN OUT OF THE INVESTIGATION WHEN THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE OF THAT OF THAT AND, YOU KNOW, ONE BIG QUESTION AND, YOU KNOW, ONE BIG QUESTION FROM MULVANEY IS THE ACTING FROM MULVANEY IS THE ACTING CHIEF OF STAFF, THE ACTING HEAD CHIEF OF STAFF, THE ACTING HEAD OF OMB, HE IS ACTING EVERYWHERE OF OMB, HE IS ACTING EVERYWHERE BUT THE PEOPLE WHO PARTICIPATED BUT THE PEOPLE WHO PARTICIPATED IN THE UKRAINE FOREIGN POLICY IN THE UKRAINE FOREIGN POLICY DECISION MAKING STILL DON’T DECISION MAKING STILL DON’T UNDERSTAND, THEY NEVER GOT A UNDERSTAND, THEY NEVER GOT A CLEAR EXPLANATION

CLEAR EXPLANATION WE SEE THIS IN A TRANSCRIPT THAT WE SEE THIS IN A TRANSCRIPT THAT CAME OUT TONIGHT OF WHY THE AID CAME OUT TONIGHT OF WHY THE AID IS BEING WITHHELD IS BEING WITHHELD IF IT WAS COMING FROM THE OMB IF IT WAS COMING FROM THE OMB AND IT WAS ALWAYS KIND OF AND IT WAS ALWAYS KIND OF SUSPICIOUS, IF THERE IS NO BAD SUSPICIOUS, IF THERE IS NO BAD REASON, WHAT WAS THE LEGITIMATE REASON, WHAT WAS THE LEGITIMATE REASON? REASON? CIRCUMSTANCES THAT’S — THEY CIRCUMSTANCES THAT’S — THEY NEVER WERE GIVEN A CLEAR NEVER WERE GIVEN A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING UNDERSTANDING

AND SO THEY WERE ALL VERY AND SO THEY WERE ALL VERY SUSPICIOUS SUSPICIOUS MULVANEY IS IN THE MIDDLE OF MULVANEY IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT THAT HE IS IN THE MIDDLE OF WHAT HE IS IN THE MIDDLE OF WHAT JACQUES BOLTON CALLED THE DRUG JACQUES BOLTON CALLED THE DRUG DEAL TO PUT PRESSURE ON DEAL TO PUT PRESSURE ON WITNESSES

WITNESSES HE IS A KEY WITNESS HE IS A KEY WITNESS >> KEY WITNESS? >> KEY WITNESS? HE MIGHT BE AN ALLEGED HE MIGHT BE AN ALLEGED CO-CONSPIRATOR CO-CONSPIRATOR

>> HE MIGHT BE THAT >> HE MIGHT BE THAT IN THE WATERGATE TAPE CASE, THE IN THE WATERGATE TAPE CASE, THE SUPREME COURT SAID YOU CAN’T SUPREME COURT SAID YOU CAN’T HIDE WRONGDOING UNDER THE CLOAK HIDE WRONGDOING UNDER THE CLOAK OF EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE OF EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE >> DAVID, YOU SAID GAS LIGHT? >> DAVID, YOU SAID GAS LIGHT? >> I SAID GAS LIGHT

>> I SAID GAS LIGHT >> YOU’RE RAISING THE QUESTION >> YOU’RE RAISING THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THE ALLEGED DRUG DEAL OF WHETHER THE ALLEGED DRUG DEAL WAS COOKING UP CRACK WITH A GAS WAS COOKING UP CRACK WITH A GAS LIGHT LIGHT >> A BUNNONSON BURNER? >> A BUNNONSON BURNER? I THINK THAT’S HOW THEY DID IT I THINK THAT’S HOW THEY DID IT IN "BREAKING BAD" IN "BREAKING BAD"

>> IN THE LAMP >> IN THE LAMP >> YES >> YES >> QUICKLY TO THE POINT ABOUT >> QUICKLY TO THE POINT ABOUT MULVANEY, HE’S GOT TO BE WORRIED MULVANEY, HE’S GOT TO BE WORRIED ABOUT WHETHER DONALD TRUMP IS ABOUT WHETHER DONALD TRUMP IS GOING TO PROTECT HIM

GOING TO PROTECT HIM SO THEY STARTED OUT WITH THIS SO THEY STARTED OUT WITH THIS DEFENSE NO QUID PRO QUO DEFENSE NO QUID PRO QUO THAT’S NOT GOING TO WORK THAT’S NOT GOING TO WORK

A WHOLE PARADE OF WITNESSES TO A WHOLE PARADE OF WITNESSES TO CONGRESS HAS ESTABLISHED CONGRESS HAS ESTABLISHED CONCLUSIVELY THAT THERE WAS CONCLUSIVELY THAT THERE WAS NOW IT LOOK LIKES TEAM TRUMP IS NOW IT LOOK LIKES TEAM TRUMP IS GOING TO THE IT WASN’T ME GOING TO THE IT WASN’T ME DEFENSE, THE SHAGGY DEFENSE DEFENSE, THE SHAGGY DEFENSE IT WASN’T ME

IT WASN’T ME AND THEY’RE GOING THE BLAME AND THEY’RE GOING THE BLAME PEOPLE LIKE GIULIANI AND PEOPLE LIKE GIULIANI AND MULVANEY MULVANEY SO IF I WERE MULVANEY OR IF I SO IF I WERE MULVANEY OR IF I WERE MULVANEY’S LAWYER, I’D TELL WERE MULVANEY’S LAWYER, I’D TELL HIM TO PROCEED WITH CAUTION HIM TO PROCEED WITH CAUTION

DON’T ASSUME THAT TRUMP IS GOING DON’T ASSUME THAT TRUMP IS GOING TO PROTECT YOU TO PROTECT YOU >> WE’RE OVER TIME >> WE’RE OVER TIME DAVID, BRIEFLY, WORD ON THAT

DAVID, BRIEFLY, WORD ON THAT THAT’S WHAT HAPPENED WITH DEAN THAT’S WHAT HAPPENED WITH DEAN HE SAW IT COMES AND CHANGED HIS HE SAW IT COMES AND CHANGED HIS MIND MIND

>> WE HAVE TESTIMONY ALREADY >> WE HAVE TESTIMONY ALREADY SAYING TALK TO RUDY COMING FROM SAYING TALK TO RUDY COMING FROM TRUMP TRUMP SO TRUMP ACTS LIKE THE MAFIOSO SO TRUMP ACTS LIKE THE MAFIOSO DON WHO SAYS YOU KNOW WHAT? DON WHO SAYS YOU KNOW WHAT? I WANT TO FIX THIS THING I WANT TO FIX THIS THING YOU TALK TO RUDY

YOU TALK TO RUDY HE KNOWS WHAT TO DO HE KNOWS WHAT TO DO RUDY KNOWS WHAT TO DO RUDY KNOWS WHAT TO DO

SO IT’S GOING TO BE VERY HARD SO IT’S GOING TO BE VERY HARD FOR THESE GUYS TO BE ASKED TO

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